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MG Midget and Sprite Technical - Heater intake hose - where does it start?

Mk 3 standard midget - where does the hose actually strat from, I had a home made affair fitted by PO and bought new from moss - though pic and actual differ in looks. Does it start in the hole just aft of the grill?
Dave
Dave Price

Yes.
Dave O'Neill2

If your lucky, the hole you describe behind the grill, contains a cable controlled flap, that you can open and close from the dashboard, with the dual purpose fan switch/flap open and close knob. That's how mine is.
Lawrence Slater

Lawrence that is quite rare, and was only done on the first few months of 1275s; the vast majority have the flap valve up by the blower motor inlet.
David Smith

David,

I wondered why I hadn't seen many. I thought people took them out for some reason.

I find it very useful when I don't want a lung full of exhaust fumes from the stationary car in front, --- or when it's so hot outside, that the air coming in burns my legs. Like never, LOL.

Or just to keep the insects and leaves out of my heater. :)
Lawrence Slater

Lawrence,
The more common - plebian even - flap at the heater blower does all of those things, but with a shorter cable. Interesting though, on you car.

I find that the flap valve is the way to fine tune the air temperature coming in to give precisely the right temp. And then, just when you have got it right your road speed changes, the ram effect alters and you have to adjust it again!
Guy

Lawrence

Look after your cable/switch...you may never find a replacement if it fails!
Dave O'Neill2

I had to take my trunking and flap assembly off to get at the starter solonoid yesterday and was very suprised at how many leaves, insects and autumn debris there was against the guard mesh at the air entry to the heater box and motor, it was clear last time I had the trunking off in the summer, perhaps also needs a mesh guard at the start of the trunking
Nigel Atkins

Did I read somewhere that someone is now making replica cables/switches?(Not the long ones). I hope so, because mine is starting to get a little hit and miss when the switch is operated.

Bernie.
b higginson

This is probably the source Bernie was referring to:

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?3,1803669

Alternatively, this mod to rectify a faulty switch was posted [by Graham P] back in 2008:

don't know if anybody else has a problem with that stupid solid cable which runs from the switch to the heater flap, but it was driving me mad, sticking, moving the switch body and generally unpleasant to use.
After close examination of the cable fitting to the switch I realised that the cable can be removed quite easily. I could see no really good reason to use a solid cable inner so I removed the offending wire and replace it with a bowden inner.

I silver soldered the ends of the cable and at the switch end left a lump of silve solder which I shaped to fit in the switch retainer. Fitted it and the difference is chalk and cheese. The flap can now be opened & closed very easily and the switch operated without the whole damn thing rotating in the dash.

I would guess that a solid inner was fitted because a bowden cable isn't designed to work under compression, but there is so little resistance from the flap that I don't think it will be an issue. Even if it was, I'd rather make a new cable every year than put up with that grotty, stiff inner!

HTH
Doug Plumb

My problem was that if I closed the flap something in the switch caused the fuse to blow. I've now rewired with a flick switch to operate the blower until I can find a replacement. They are like hens teeth.
P Ottewell

The switch is supposed to be designed so that when the flap is fully closed, the fan cannot be turned on. Maybe you are forcing the push pull knob to close the flap when the fan is operating? It isn't supposed to do that!
Guy

Now I know the switches are rare, I will take care of it, as much as you can take care of a 45 year old switch.:). As Guy says, only supposed to rotate to activate the fan, when flap the is open.

I don't remember what the original cable was on mime. May have been a solid, but I swapped it long ago for a loooooong flexi bike cable (dash to grill). I fitted a spring to the flap to assist the push from the cable. Very Heath Robinson. Or is that Joe Bodge? Either way it works for me. lol.
Lawrence Slater

Gotcha :)

>>only supposed to rotate to activate the fan, when flap the is open.<<

I remember you telling me any new owner would know how to operate the heater without needing to read it in the factory reprint of the owner's/Drivers Handbook (not a workshop manual but fully of servicing information as well as users information)

:)

none of us are born knowing we all have to learn and we don't always know what we don't know :)

as you've said you've never read the owners Handbook then you wont know how much more useful information it has, that makes you technically ignorant with regards to the owners Handbook :)

P.S. I'm not saying Pete doesn't know this as I think he's a owner's Handbook owner :)
Nigel Atkins

With or without reference to the handbook, it is obvious really. There is no point in a fan that operates to blow air when the supply of air to be blown is closed off!

And worse really, if the fan were to operate with the air supply closed off it will likely overheat and eventually either burn out, or possibly blow the fuse. Perhaps Pete has discovered this by experimentation?
Guy

more likely Pete had a switched that had gone faulty and/or worn through causing it to short out

a lot, I think possibly most, other cars you can close off the air supply and have fan assisted air recirculating

I dOn't think it's intuative to have a heater switch that twists and then also pulls out but doesn't then lock out or twist

I don't think many that don't know about Spridgets would expect these type operations from the one switch

for those that are new to the car often instruction is needed

. . . and can be found in the owners/Driver's Handbook along with loads more information :)
Nigel Atkins

I think that if someone who had never been in a Spridget before, got in and was told to switch on the heater fan they wouldn't have a clue where to start. It doesn't say anything on the switch except H. How many other cars are like that? Not many. So, Yes Nigel, the handbook would definitely be helpful as in so many other ways. It seems to be a male thing, not reading operator's manuals for tools, appliances etc. I'm glad to say I'm an exception to that rule. Must be a bit of a girly! My wife on the other hand is the exact opposite. I'm sure that even now she doesn't know that the Dyson has got filters that have to be washed. I have to do it every six months. I'm always telling her. "Why don't you RTFM?)

Bernie.
b higginson

Bernie,
thank you, at last someone sees what I mean

and what youngster would guess that you turn the heater on by lifting the bonnet and turning a tap or lever, old fashioned even in the 60s same as no synchro on 1st what youngster would know about or expect that on a 70s car too

and I never knew Dysons had filters, I assume you mean exhaust filters

I also assume you mean RTM for your wife :)

stowing the hood correctly is another thing that a lot of even long term owners still seem to get wrong - those that don't have or read the owners/Driver's Handbook that is :)
Nigel Atkins

if you can't work the heater control or fold the hood properly then it could indicate a lack of common sense, in which case the manual isn't going to be read either.
David Smith

I think the lack of common sense (and/or penny pinching design) was with MG rather than the later owners

common sense wouldn't have the heater controls as they are or the hood the way it is

I must find out how Honda had their hood folding on their fabulous S800

after having an Mx-5 other hoods seem crude and slow
Nigel Atkins

I never said that the switch design was simple.
What I said was that it was logical to have a system where the fan wouldn't operate whilst the air supply was closed off. That could have been achieved by a variety of methods, but the principle of not being able to switch the fan on with the flap closed is obvious.
Guy

Nigel.
When at the tender age of 23, I bought my Sprite, how do you suppose I managed to work out how to turn on the heater fan then? Pray to the god almighty?

No, I used my intelligence, of which, since I was frequently hungover back then, I had very little of, and not too much more now. :)

If I could find out everything I know about the Sprite from the age of 23/4, without EVER having seen a handbook, let alone read one, I think any reasonably intelligent owner could do the same, if they applied themselves.

Maybe people are just too eager to find easy answers, or are so convinced that the past is full of complicated technology, that they seek comfort in "manuals". Like you seem to. :)

Think about it.

There's a knob on the dashboard. It doesn't move up and down, or sidways. Strange, It must do something. I wonder what happens if you pull it? Hmm not much.

I wonder if it twists. Yes it does, but only when it is pushed fully forward. Doh!. I wonder why?

I know, I'll switch the ignition on and try again. Blimey, a fan came on. I wonder why a fan would come on? Eureka, it must be a heater fan. Think I'll look under the bonnet and see what happens when I pull the knob. :)

Ah, I see, it goes to a flap, that stops air flowing in that ugly elephants trunk thingy, when I pull the knob. How very strange and mysterious, I need an owners manual, to tell me why and how, you would use this strange device. :) NOT! Instead, I think, I will think, and work it out for meself.:).

Drunken foolish ignorant young 20 something that I was, I did. Bet nobody else could though, coz I'm super brain. Up Up and away. lol.

Lawrence Slater

Guy,
I don't think it's so obvious if you've only ever known modern cars and Spridget components weren't modern even when the cars first came out :)

Lawrence,
when you were 23 in 1976/78(?) you'd grown up with such cars and controls (or more often lack of) the cars were current not 30 years out of production (and 7 years before you were born)

you already knew about the cars a current 23 year old new to classics wont

why try guessing and pulling control knobs off when you can RTFo/DH first

the heater and stowing of the hood are just two examples not the whole reason to have a owner's/Drivers - how long ago did they stop putting chokes on cars as another example only

as previously you put you'd never read the owners/Driver's handbook how do you know what other information is in it that make trial and error methods very long and hit and miss

lots of questions that come up on forums have the answer in the relevant owners/Driver's Handbooks

I think they're a great benefit to most owners or potential owners and at £8 a fantastic investment

even with you with your mighty intellect forget some details, previously you could have answered your own question on original wheel size had you a relevant copy :)

I’m really amazed at the opposition to my recommendation of this publication, I understand those that are mechanically minded might not see a full need for it but I know for a fact that there are many youngsters or those new to classic cars that have no idea about the level of maintenance because they’re grown up with modern cars and also have no or little experience of mending things or using tools and these are people possibly beyond your intellect certainly mine but the worst of them you fear for someone vision if they have a screwdriver in their hand

I think it’s great that newcomers even consider having classic cars and think they should be encouraged to have a successful and enjoyable ownership and not an unpleasant experience due to lack of knowledge or thinking they can run a classic with the minimum of effort and that all classics are sluggish and unreliable and perpetuate this myth to others and pass on a classic that’s well away from how good it could be

You can run your car how you like because you have the knowledge a lot of other owners don’t have anywhere near your level of knowledge and experience

When I got my first “classic” in the early 90s (a BGT) I couldn’t believe how antiquated it was for a 70s car and I’d just had three 80s Skodas in a row before getting the BGT
Nigel Atkins

Nigel,

"I’m really amazed at the opposition to my recommendation of this publication, I understand those that are mechanically minded might not see a full need for it but I know for a fact that there are many youngsters or those new to classic cars that have no idea about the level of maintenance because they’re grown up with modern cars and also have no or little experience of mending things or using tools and these are people possibly beyond your intellect certainly mine but the worst of them you fear for someone vision if they have a screwdriver in their hand"

I know just what you mean. I got employed as a mechanic/restorer based on my experience over younger, fully trained mechanics as the workshop manager with 50 odd years experience said "Kids these days have never seen a rusty nut and unless the computer tells them the problem they've no clue"

and I still didn't know how to properly put the top down until I read how.:-D
J White

Lawrence. By the time you'd wasted all that time pissing about when you were young, you could have read the 14 words and looked a the picture in the manual, then used the saved time to roll another joint. LOL. Bernie.
b higginson

J,
I don't blame the kids it's just how life is for them, their education seems to be to pass tests quickly rather than to learn over time

the fashion and throw away culture doesn't give much room for make do and mend, items must be brand new and the latest rather than s/h and perhaps in need of a tweak

and don't worry if you got the hood folding wrong many do but they think they're doing it right - as I put how can you know you're doing something wrong if it's the only way you know

two stories I've put here before - my mate's two strapping uni educated sons needed the help of a nearby garage to change the wheel on their Daewoo Matiz - as a interview test for a installer/repair apprentice I left a lad who'd done electronics classes a piece of equipment that wasn't working to see if he could see why, he couldn't, I'd only removed the fuse from the plug
Nigel Atkins

Back to the actual topic! Ashley Hinton reckon they will be remaking the heater switch as they have got all the original tooling to do it.
So if you are stuck for one, send them an email.
Graham.
Graham P

I think he'd start a lot quicker if he was encouraged with lots of enquiries
Nigel Atkins

Bernie, the joint would have prevented me even finding the manual,, let alone focussing on the content. lol.

Nigel, my description of discovering how the fan worked was a joke. It took me seconds, and it was instinctive.

You could sit a champanzee or a child in the drivers seat of a '66 spridget, and either one would work out that the knob twisted in very little time at all.

Are you seriously saying that being 20 something back in the 70's, means that you were more likely to understand things like how to fold a hood or turn on a heater?

Are people so thick today that they can't work it out for themselves? No, they are NOT.

I'm going to try an experiment. Next time I visit my sister, I'll ask her daughter (26) to try and turn on my heater fan, and see how she gets on. lol.
Lawrence Slater

Lawrence,
without her seeing, try turning off your engine heater tap altogether, close the footwell flaps and ask her to get fan assisted hot air to the driver's footwell

you could also ask her to drop the hood and stow it and what she knows about, or get her to use, the choke and non-syncro first gear

I never said or thought that you finding the blower operation was anything other than a joke - you grew up with such cars
Nigel Atkins

Graham P, Hinton's don't claim to have original tooling - far from it. If you follow the link back at the start of this thread, you'll read it's been redesigned completely, and the photo in the ebay ad confirms that.
AH said 5 months ago he would have stock in 4 weeks, so they *should* have been available for some time - has anyone saved up their 50-odd quid and bought one yet?
David Smith

LOL. Be fair Nigel. She IS a girl, after all. :)
Lawrence Slater

I used to work for a car dealer who had been in the business for years and consequently had sold several Midgets over the years and until I showed him and other members of the staff how to fold the hood on a mk3, they hadn't a clue, probably why alot of the cars had cracked plastic windows and damaged vinyl on the hoods. It's so simple, but they hadn't seen it.

Bernie.
b higginson

you're being sexist :)

she's possibly got 9 years driving experience - anyway being a girl she'll want heat and the top down in warm weather :)

BGTs and to a lesser extent Spridgets and Spitfires are catching on with those in their early 20s, and below, but I don't think many realise the additional servicing requirements of classics compared to their parent's modern cars - plus many wont have experienced driving RWD cars
Nigel Atkins

Talk about catching on. Yesterday, a lovely H reg Elan passed my house several times.

The final time, a couple of kids, boys, circa 8 years old or so were walking past.

I said to them, I bet you don't know what that is then.

And they both said in unison, its an elan plus 2.

Huh? Could have knocked me down with a feather. lol

Then they said, what's yours then? I said it's a Sprite, do you like it? They said they preferred the Elan. Yup, Me too. :)
Lawrence Slater

they must have done what I always have to do to identify cars - look at the badges I'm not sure about the +2 but I wouldn't refuse one to drive for a while
Nigel Atkins

Nigel,

The owners manual is very useful when you want to know what grade of oil to put in the gearbox... or what clearance the manufacturer reccomends the tappets to have, or finding where the timing marks are located.

But, if you need the owners manual to work out what the flaps in the footwell do, or what the switches on the dashboard do then you are quite simply, an idiot. In fact, you shouldn't be allowed to drive a car. Anyone with an ounze of common sense can work out that. Furthermore, your argument that Lawrence has grown up with cars like this is just crap - I'm a 24 year old who has grown up with a fiesta, corsa, escort, punto, and a swift... all modern cars... and I have no problem working out what all the dials and swithces in midget do, I can even unlock the passenger door without referring to the owners manual!

Here is a useful quote from my owners manual, which I know even you wouldn't need to read before a test drive!

"Ignition and start:
To switch on the ignition turn the key to postition II, further movement against the spring resistance operates the starter motor. Release the key immediately the engine starts."

C L Carter

yes but Christian you've got a mechanical/engineering mind/experience/training or that's the way it seems to me with some of your recent posts

I've not suggested anyone is an idiot in fact quite the reverse

I do suggest that youngsters probably learnt to drive in a modern FWD car and many had subsequent cars that were a lot more modern that the Spridgets which had many out of date items on them even when they were brand new

even their parents may have not experienced such things for many years and forgotten about them

why would a younster who's not grown up with this age of car know about things like a choke, non-synchro on first, the conveluted and antiquated heating system

the main reason I recommend it to potential and new owners is for the list/schedule/details of the full servicing requirements of cars of this age which are a lot more extensive than most think or know about

it acts a guide for things like oil pressure, tyre pressures

covers things like what fuse guards what, reminds of greasing and oiling the dissy, has wiring diagrams

how to correctly stow the hood

also bear in mind a lot of cars have been altered so this offers a basis for how they were originally

also there are variances between models and years

if everything is so straight forward there wouldn't be a few of the questions, queries and debates on this and other forums

I know for some RTFM is a sign of weakness but I think it's often a good idea

prevailing thought about classics seems to be that the most important check is the engine oil, that classic are unrelaible, wont brake well and use a lot of oil and petrol and that the only book you must have is a Haynes
Nigel Atkins

Well most of the benefits you've listed, I have acknowledged and agree with.

I also agree that the majority of youngsters have grown up with modern FWD cars as you have suggested.

What I think you fail to realise is that the kind of young person who is interested in owning a classic car like a midget is not part of the mainstream set of youngsters. They are by definition a bit quirky and interested in things mechanical - therefore will have the brains to work out how the heater switch works... they may not know how to split the diff (but thats what this forum is for)

Granted, there are a few rich brats who like shiny chrome and will think its just like their modern bmw... but these are few and far between, and they deserve to have cold feet and misty windscreens. They are also unlikely to be asking questions on the MG BBS, no?

The handbook is a guide for dummies... which was more useful to generic owners who bought the car new... the owners is 2012 are very different to the owners of the seventies.

Let me just finish by saying the handbook is excellent and I think everyone should own one for the reasons I've stated. But unlike you Nigel, I don't think it is the first and last point of call for all problems.

C L Carter

Christian,
I understand your comments and thanks for agreeing where you do and no problem that you disagrre with other bits

I don't think the owner's/Driver's Handbooks gives the answers to the vast majority of questions or problems but it does cover a lot of the common ones or ones that new owners might come across, as I say prevention rather than cure (workshop manuals for repairs Driver's Handbook for prevention)

I never said that anyone wouldn't be able to work out how to work the heater switch (I think that was one of L's lines) the heater system as a whole properly, initially at least, yes I did

I can 100% assure you that quite a few youngsters, and those that are a lot older, that want and/or get classics are not all mechanical minded, some a lot less so than me and I'm at a low level

if you look at some threads, questions, queries here and on PH that come up after a while you'll see common points, lack of full and proper servicing being common

I helped one lad that another poster called an idiot because he had difficulty clearing out a pipe but he went on to learn about servicing the car and that the previously wheezy, oily, thirsty classic that he thought went reasonably well for an old car went loads better with a bit of servicing previously negelected by him and previous owner

too many people think classics are unreliable and don't know about servicing them properly I try to promote the opposite that way people know what to expect and the cars get progressively better instead of poor cars being tranfered forever to new owner that complete the circle

your list of modern cars made think - and don't get me wrong I'm not saying the ones you had weren't the modern versions - just that as soon as I saw Fiesta I thought of the original model being on sale at the same time as the Midget 1500 and the review that pointed out how modern the Fiesta was and how old fashion the Midget 1500 was, just looked it up must have been around 1976/7

original Escort began 1968

original Corsa known as Nova then began 1983, and as a Corsa since 1993 (18 years ago)

original Punto 1993 again

original Swift 1983 (or 88 to Europe/England(?))
Nigel Atkins

Well, servicing helps... of course... but the handbook has loads of stuff which doesn't need doing quite as often as it says... still better to be safe than sorry.

IMHO, if non mechanical people want to own a classic... then they should (regardless of regular servicing) expect it to break. If they aren't mechanically minded, then they will drive it like a modern car... and break it... or it will rust away and they won't notice it until it says so on their MOT faults list, Or the gearbox will fall apart because the quality of bearings and steel then wasn't as reliable... or a gaitor will fall off and grit will get in somewhere it shouldn't and they won't notice until the MOT man tells them their steering is buggered...

In short these people are going to find their MOT's expensive... or their servicing time consuming and also expensive! Or more likely, it will break and end up in their garage for a few years.... then on eBay as a project car a few years after that...

Here's a scenario for you... a month ago, my starter motor jammed. I didn't know what had happened, thought it was my battery at first... took me half an hour to work out what had happened and bump it out... What would a non technical modern bmw driver do... read the handbook? No... and there is no maintenance to prevent that occuring... they would call the AA... and probably call them again if the problem recurred...



Re my list of cars...
My fiesta was a 1995 limited edition 5 door with central locking...
Corsa was a 98
escort a 98
punto is an 06 (brothers)
suzuki swift is an 05 (girlfriends)

With the exception of the fiesta - the others are very modern... and are driven differently to a classic... hard on the servo assisted brakes... easy on the gearbox... hard on the engine... longer and more constant use... (I put 20K miles on the escort in about 9 months... do that to the midget without any mechanical knowledge and it would be shagged)
C L Carter

Nigel. As you may gather by my previous posts on this thread, I agree with most of what you are saying, but other people have different ideas and ways of doing things.
The handbook can be very useful, but I haven't refered to it for ages, except to point out to Lawrence where to find the picture and text on the heater switch.LOL. So I think you may be flogging a dead horse by trying to convince some of the above posters of your argument.
Chill out, pop open a can and get stuck into those chocolate liqueurs left over from Christmas.

Bernie.
b higginson

I think I sparked this off by saying that the switch was logical. This then got transmutified into a discussion about whether it was easy to find and correctly operate the switch without reference to the handbook. I rather side with Lawrence on this. If you want to make use of the handbook that's fine, but I really do not believe it is essential reading before you touch the car as seems to be the implication.

Actually my original comment on the logic wasn't relating to the design, placement or operation of the switch. It was to its functionality of only allowing the fan to switch on when the air vent was open. That is logical to allow the thing to blow air and to prevent the motor from overheating when operated. Its nothing to do with whether you can find the switch or not!
Guy

What's needed Guy, is a T section in the elephants trunk. Then add an additional flap.

One to close off the outside air, and the 2nd one, to allow air to be drawn from inside the car to recirculate.

Then you can have ever increasingly hot and co2 polluted air, and your fan on at the same time. Just like a modern car. :)
Lawrence Slater

Guy,
no problem, I’m not denying the logic of it locking out whilst not fully open when you know about the dual operation

I’m not sure the heater motor would burn itself out if the flap was closed as they’re very robust, if I ever get to see my wife’s modern car I’ll have a look at the recirculation, or I’ve a separate switch on my Spridget so how long do you think I should risk running it with the flap shut and the heater fully warmed up :

I don’t mean to give the implication that you can’t touch or be able to drive the car without the benefit of the owners/Driver’s Handbook just that for most potential and new owners and a lot of long standing owners would benefit from at least some of what’s in there if only refreshing the memory

Bernie,
I’m chilled – just watched the pilot episode of Rising Damp

Christian,
I think you’re being a bit harsh on these people things tend not to be so clear cut, the more so the older you get with most things

what tends to happen is people put in less thought or research than they should before buying a classic (I’ve been guilty of this several times with classic and modern) plus some continue this through their ownership

the cars that get put away for a few years often come out again for sale but not as project cars often

no, servicing wont prevent all possible breakdowns but it will stop a lot and many of those are the common ones

I don’t know about the 20,000 miles in 9 months on a Spridget (L might) but I was on course to do 15,000 in year on my previous Spridget and I was also using a second classic as a daily worker in addition to the Spridget

part of the problem is that classics cars can be quite robust and continue to run through the short term ownership of a couple or more owners perhaps with the current owner even using it as a daily, as my previous post example which was a B

ETA: typing whilst L posted - L what about 20k in 9 months in a Midget without mechanical knowledge?
Nigel Atkins

Oh yes, recirculating hot damp air against a cold windscreen. That will be good!

I have wondered about another modification which I think would be quite good. What I need to find is a couple of small in-line air fans to plumb into the air demister pipes as boosters. I am sure that they would improve the demister function when at slow speeds. Oh, and now that I have a good big battery I also want heated seats!

PS - Just winding you up Nigel. I do have a handbook, I do read it and do find useful stuff in there! But Lawrence is right about the somewhat obvious instructions on how to turn the ignition key!
Guy

Guy, the ignition key comment was CL.

But from what I've read of most user manuals, they do assume an IQ of the semi retarded. :) In which case, -- I suppose I should read them too. lol.
Lawrence Slater

L beat me to it I was just about to put it was C L's comment

I can assure you it's nothing like when I had a new MX-5 in 1999 (1.6 with the only steel wheels the dealership had seen one sold with)

that owners handbook was at least one third longer with safety warning with things only just short of don't put your head under the front wheel and let someone drive off - you could tell the car had been designed in the USA good job the build quality was comtempory Japanese although the steel wheels did rust but they were covered on the 3 year warranty so stopped on the car when sold

you should also see some of the owners handbooks for earlier version of cars like the Sprite(?) and Morris Minor pretty basic stuff
Nigel Atkins

Here you go Guy. Mini fans.

http://www.sunonusa.com/pdf/mmf.pdf

http://www.risunmicrotec.com/manufacturer/48033/48033.html



Lawrence Slater

Sorry CL, to wrongly attribute your bright witty comments to Lawrence. My mistake.
Guy

I could have said that too Guy. I can be bright and witty sometimes too, I just chose not too. lol.
Lawrence Slater

I wondered if you would pick up on that comment! Ho Ho!
Guy

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