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MG TD TF 1500 - Details of 10,000+ T-Types - Now Online!
|You may be interested to know that the MG Car Club T Register have just placed select (non-personal) details of 10,000+ T Types on their website - licence numbers, chassis numbers, engine numbers, body/trim colour and the country in which they reside, together with a photo (if we have one).|
Here is the link: http://www.tregister.org/register
Every T Type produced has a record on the Register. If your car's record indicates it is not known to us (the easiest way to find your car's record by searching on its chassis number, e.g. TC0750), then please inform our Registrars of your owner/car details through the "Update Details" button link on your record. You can also upload your favourite picture of your car via the "Upload Photo" button on your T Type's record.
Congratulations on the MG Car Club T Register details
being placed online.The 10,000 or so listings represent an incredible amount of input and care.
|Hi, is there a Saloon Register? Thanks, M|
|The site is screwed up in a major way. I'll check back later.|
|>The site is screwed up in a major way|
Haha, that's quite an accurate technical observation! The host is giving me some problems - hold fire for now and I will attempt to get it sorted this evening.
|Well, as of about an hour ago the new Online T Register is back up and running. *Please bear with me though - the site may be up and down until I work out what the random glitch is that is bringing the site down every few hours*.|
Many thanks to all of those who uploaded photos last night - if you revisit your car's record you will find your pictures displaying!
|Hmmm, wish we could search by engine number or just browse by model (TC, TD, TF).|
You *can* just browse by model - simply select TC, TD or TF in the "Model" drop down box and hit the "Search T Register" button, and use the "Previous" and "Next Results" links to cycle through the pages of results. Entries with a camera icon next to them have a picture.
When designing the site I could think of no logical reason why people would want to search by engine number. But if there is a specific engine you are searching for, just email me the number and I will do my best to search the database for the car it is in...
|Fun! It would be nice to allow more results per page. I wanted to browse through the entire TC list but that's a lot of clicking "next page".|
Thanks for putting this together!
|That is so cool...and photos as well... Now, if I can link my data base to this one...hmmm!|
|gblawson - #27667|
I know this may be a stupid quesion, but could you clarify what specific numbers you are using?
License number? Car;s license plate?
Chassis number? Which number off the firewall plates are you referring to?
|>Fun! It would be nice to allow more results per page. I wanted to browse through the entire TC list but that's a lot of clicking "next page"|
I tested a few results page lengths when developing the site, and anything over 25 made it too slow to load, as they're quite a bit of processing going on behind the scenes. I can only suggest you narrow down your search by browsing TCs from a certain country, or those with photos, or with a particular licence plate (such as those with "MG" in their licence plate).
>License number? Car;s license plate?
Yes, the current licence plate. It's called so many different things in different countries (it's registration number on this side of the pond) so we went for a generic halfway house :)
>Chassis number? Which number off the firewall plates are you referring to?
This is the build number preceded by TA, TB, TC, TD or TF, as recorded in the factory production records (available elsewhere on tregister.org).
|The plate number in the database for my car is the original UK plate but I'm leaving it that way. After all, that plate is still on the car, right under the California plate! :) I figure it will be easier for someone to trace the car with that number than the current one.|
|Do you have to be a member of the Register to update your data?|
"When designing the site I could think of no logical reason why people would want to search by engine number."
Wel, it might possibly help reunite a car with its proper engine.
My TF's original engine (XPEG 1060) is long gone. I have 2 TD engines, XPAG 2284 and XPAG 27730. Curious if those TDs are still out there with different engines.
Thanks for the browsing tips!
|Jim... I updated mine and i'm not a member... even shot a photo to the site!|
|gblawson - #27667|
|I must have some block against updating the site from my computer. I cant update the info on my TD. I recently could not establish a Pay Pal account either even though I had tech help from them. None of their recommendations worked! Any computer experts out there in the MG world? Everything else seems satisfactory.|
No, you don't have to be a T Register member to update your details - the T Register gathers details of all T's worldwide regardless of Club affiliations. What problems are you having sending your updated details? The process is as follows: go to your car record by searching on the chassis number, and click "Update Details". A form will pop up in a separate window; fill in the boxes that apply and click "Submit". This will automatically email the Registrar of your details, who will record them in an offline Excel spreadsheet. The online register itself will not be updated until I next receive another copy of this spreadsheet - which will happen every three months. Photos, however, get approved by me and so typically appear within a few hours of being uploaded.
Do you know what internet browser you are using? If you go to the "Help" menu in it and click "About", it will tell you the name and version. T Register Online is compatible with Internet Explorer 6 and Firefox. If you have an old computer and are running Internet Explorer 5, then it may not work.
I looked up those engines and could only trace XPAG 2284. It was the original engine of a TC - TC1625 - which is on the Register and was last heard of in the Netherlands. That info could well be out of date though, since it still has that engine down as belonging to the car.
From the number, XPAG 27730 looks as if it belonged to a late TD. However, we don't have Production Records for the TD yet - they are still being inputted from the original handwritten records - so I can't pinpoint the exact car for you as yet.
Keep those photos coming! :)
In browsing the TFs the sequence goes from #999, 1000, 10000 etc. Just wondering the jump from 4 digits into 5 digit numbers.
|>In browsing the TFs the sequence goes from #999, 1000, 10000 etc. Just wondering the jump from 4 digits into 5 digit numbers.|
Unfortunately this is a limitation with computers sorting numbers stored as text. The chassis numbers are stored exactly like this - e.g. "TF0567" - and when you order text, it doesn't follow numerical sorting order - 1 to 13 as text, for example, is ordered
it sorts by the first digit, and that's the behaviour you're seeing with the TF chassis numbers.
|My engine is xpag/td2/27971... the car was built in may of '53 so that would give you a month or so each side!|
|gblawson - #27667|
|>Unfortunately this is a limitation with computers sorting numbers stored as text. |
Well, you can store them in the database as integers. If you can't convert the chassis number to an integer, on your SQL statement that retrieves the records, you can add an 'order by' clause. For example:
Select top 25 * from MGsTable ORDER BY Cint(ChassisNo)
I noticed when the site was down that you are using MS Access to store the data. I think that Cint is the correct conversion function for MS Access, but I could be wrong. You should be using a real database like MySQL or SQL server instead, as those are a LOT more stable in a multi-user environment. And MySQL is pretty affordable, too. As in free. SQL server isn't all that expensive, I think some versions of SQL server express (which is all you'd need) are free.
I hope you don't take this as criticism. I think the site is great as is. I just am offering this technical advice in the hopes that it may help. Of course, what makes the site great is the rich data that you guys have been collecting for years. I really appreciate you making it available on the web.
|Steve, as you may recall, I also had trouble getting the update function to work. Might it be because I am using Netscape 7.1 as my browser?|
|If mine goes thru it's TF3973 with photo.|
I appreciate your comments. I think it's worth me describing the background to the register, and hopefully you will see why I have done things like I have. The Registrars each collect details of T's from various sources and store them in a collection of Excel spreadsheets. They've been working that way for years, it suits them, works well and I don't see any reason to disrupt the apple cart. As a result, when it comes to me putting the data on the website, I am tied by the format in which the information is stored in these spreadsheets. When it comes to chassis number, it is stored as a text string, in all sorts of guises - some examples:
Thus the easiest way is to store the chassis number is as a text string, which might give the slightly strange sorting results reported, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think that's a major issue. The majority of visitors to the Register are simply going to want to find a specific record, most likely their own, check the details, perhaps upload a photo. The browsing aspect was added as a secondary "niceity" (and it's great to see people using it).
I share your opinions about Access! Having developed applications on Access, SQL Server, Oracle and MySQL, and worked as an Oracle DBA, in an ideal world Access would be my last choice of database. But in the real world I am limited. Our host allows us to link to Access databases for free. SQL Server costs a fair bit extra per year. The T Register is a non-profit making organisation - it receives no financial support from the MGCC and generates cash to fund the website, events and a bi-monthly magazine through a slim margin on Regalia sales and donations. It's hard to justify the extra when Access provides perfectly reasonable performance for the number of visitors we receive (tregister.org has been running off an Access back-end for 18 months without a single hitch).
Yes, Netscape 7.1 could be why you're having trouble. It's 3 years old now :p and I haven't tested on/don't support any old browsers. I recommend downloading and using Mozilla Firefox: http://www.getfirefox.com
I believe your photo came through fine - it should appear on the Register some time this evening.
|All your hard work and expertise is evident in the compilation of a huge data base Steve.|
Kudos on the good job of dealing with several factors and still producing a usable result for the majority of users, many with different viewpoints and different equipment, especially for free!
This labor of love will benefit the current crop of enthusiast and future owners as well.
|OK, Steve. In SQL Server or MySQL, it would be pretty easy to define a function or stored procedure to extract the numeric part of the text string and convert it to an integer, then use that for ordering the result set. I'd be glad to write it, but I'm not sure if Access even supports user-defined functions. |
Anyway, as you said, it isn't that important. Access is a decent single user database, but it just isn't robust enough to support a website. I hope you make frequent backups. It would be a shame to lose any of that data.
Great work! I uploaded a photo and some info this am on "Izzy".
Curious, "T-Register" number on your site showed as "9107". I hope I did not mess things up as I submitted a change to "12110" as that is my "MGT Register" number. Where did the "9107" come from?
If this is a number you have added for your data files ,(and has nothing to do with "MGT Reg") let me know and I will go back and edit it.
Thanks again for all your families hard work keeping our LBC's documented!
David 55 TF1500 #7427
My car is not listed, how do I get it listed?
Thanks for the photo of Izzy - it should be displaying now against your record!
The T Register number is the unique number the MG Car Club T Register (UK) assigns to each T Type. 9107 is the number we have assigned Izzy. I can't find 12110 mentioned anywhere on your record - is this number something to do with the New England T Register, perhaps? No need to submit it again, the Registrar will be able to work it out.
To tell us details of your car, go to http://www.tregister.org/register and search on your chassis number, TD12826. It should bring up your car's record. Click the "Update Details" to bring up a form in a separate window for you to fill you and your car's details. Click "Submit" and this will be sent by email to the Registrar.
The website itself will not be updated with the details you have sent immediately - it will take a few months (when I receive the next set of updated spreadsheets from the Registrars). But rest assured we will have your details recorded!
GREAT website !!!
Hope you can merge it with the "George Merson List" or Gordon's files.
Have sent you my car's details (TD19009).
|"I looked up those engines and could only trace XPAG 2284. It was the original engine of a TC - TC1625 - which is on the Register and was last heard of in the Netherlands. That info could well be out of date though, since it still has that engine down as belonging to the car.|
Oops, guess I should have been more specific. the numbers are XPAG/TD/2284 & XPAG/TD2(or 3?)/27730. I wasn't aware of the overlap.
Thanks for your efforts on the website!
Your web site is the most best (HA HA English teacher)I have ever encountered. Thanks for posting my pic. My update of info also worked. When I went and say the pic (2005 Battle of the Brits) it brought tears to my eyes because now I'm on 24hr oxygen and can't drive/work on my TD11547.
Greg & Grimm
|My picture came thru OK but none of the info that I added. Curious??|
LaVerne TF 3973
I tried to enter my chassis number and it doesn't recognize it...how do I register with the T Seris register? I am a member of MGCC (#91318) and also of the MGB register (#11398)...it seems i never registered with the MGCC T register, please let me know ho wto register and I will do so.
I guess I figured it out! Went on the MGCC web site and registered the TD.
|Hi again Steve,|
Last night I entered our TF's information 'Update Details' plus sent a photograph of the car-TF3719("Aramis").
Checked this morning,punched in TF3719,and up came the photo.Brilliant!
I now know from reading your correspondence with others that the 'Update Details'will be evident in a few months when processing of the spreadsheets can be finalised.
I must concur with the American and Canadian boys in saying that your efforts in presenting this whole concept is fantastic.If only Cecil Kimber knew......!
For me, and I suspect for many others,this exercise has reaffirmed the worldwide interest in MG.
Please pass on my appreciation to your father John who I also know has contributed immensely to the T-Type movement in UK.
Cheers and thanks
|Steve, I am running Internet Explorer 6.0.2900 with SP2. I was able to add a photo of my car (TD 20660)but not any details. The window to add this info is only a partial window with spaces for the data but not large enough to have a "Submit" button. Do you have any ideas about some faulty setting on my computer I can change? Any help will be greatly appreciated.|
|George, Rob et al, thanks for the supportive comments! Led, the site will not show your updated details until a few months' time. The details have to be recorded and confirmed by the Registrar first. In a few months he will send an updated Register to me and I'll update the site with the new information (and, I hear, there has been much of it!).|
That's strange about the window size. The only possible thing I can think of is you might have the "large fonts" setting turned on, and it might have pushed the subnit button off the bottom of the form. I have (hopefully) added a scrollbar to that window so you will now be able to scroll down and click the Submit button. Let me know if you manage to submit the details successfully this time.
Best Regards, and keep the photos coming in!
http://www.mgbooks.com <- my next MG web project! :)
|>George, Rob et al|
Many apologies, I mean *Greg*! Who's George? :)
http://www.mgbooks.com <- my next MG web project! :)
|I have tried to put my information on the site listed but nothing goes thru, anyone else have the same problem?|
When you click the "submit" button you should receive a confirmation message that your details have been successfully sent to the Registrar. Can you remember if you received this? Or did you get an error message?
Note that "Update Details" does not directly update your car's website record, but rather informs the relevant Registrar of them by email who will then record your personal and car details in an offline spreadsheet. The online register will next be updated in a month or so when the Registrars have sifted through and recorded the many new and updated registrations they have been sent through the site.
Later this evening I will send you a manual form to fill in your details if you're having trouble which you can email directly to the Registrar.
http://www.mgbooks.com <- my next MG web project! :)
I don't think this was covered yet,,If it has and I missed it, I appologize for repeating,,, but regarding "You *can* just browse by model - simply select TC, TD or TF in the "Model" drop down box and hit the "Search T Register" button, and use the "Previous" and "Next Results" links to cycle through the pages of results. You can also narrow the search to find the cars before and after yours by using the * (star) function,,, ie to search for a TD, click TD in the model block, and then in the chasis number block, add the first numbers of your chasis number, but use * for the last number.. ie 1828* this will get you right to the pages around your number without having to use the "Previous" and "Next Results" links to cycle through the ALL OF THE pages of results.
This is super, thanks for organizing it. What about TD Mk IIs? I typed in my chassis number (TD/C 15290) but no results. But when I type in TD15290 my Register No. (9399) comes up. It would be great to have a way to search for all the Mk II TDs.
|Wow! what agreat idea.... found and updated my car:|
Plus a Pic of me and my kids after a second place finish :)
Thanks for pointing out the "Wildcard" character *, at some point I should put together a help page for using the Register... at the next update perhaps...
Yes, the TD/Cxxxx chassis numbers went in as TDxxxx. This is mainly because we didn't have (and still don't have) the Production Records computerised for the TDs, so everything went in as TDxxxx. When I next work on the site I will correct the existing TD/C's we known about to their proper TD/C chassis numbers.
Thanks for the great photo, it is now displaying against your car's record, which will display the information you sent to our Registrar at the next update (in a month or so).
http://www.mgbooks.com <- my next MG web project! :)
|Very nice job! I've updated my info and added a picture of my TF-1500 (TF9882), reg # 2799.|
Your comment about the lack of computerized data for TD's...does that mean the production records exist but have not been converted to computerized data or does it mean they simply do not exist?
I have updated the information on my TD Mark II (TD18895). When you list the license plate number, would it be helpful to know the state that issued the plate? Plate number "ABC123" could be in any of the 50 states. Is there room enough in the block to show the state, such as "ABC123 (KS)"?
Was the Merson TF dataBase ever integrated into yours?
He started a database but unfortunately set it up all wrong, so that queeries and sorts are impossible without parsing for at least 4 variables. Normally I love such a challenge, but there were 1,269 records the last time I looked at it. But that's a big job to isolate the fields for 1,269 records.
There was a time when I use to get $75/hr for doing that. I'm not quite so benevolent these days.
Seems a shame as I'm sure there's a lot of valuable info in that file.
|Gordon A. Clark|
|George Merson has the TD data base, Jeff Payne runs the TF one...|
When info is entered into mine ( http://www.niagarabritishcarclub.org/mgtnumbers/numbers.html ), an email is automatically sent to George and Jeff. I entered all of their info into mine last year.
It can be searched a few ways... not complete, but not bad. ( model/year/chassis/engine numbers. Again, owners names don't show up on the web page, but I have them in a master list which I can sort. I also leave duplicates so previous owners can be found.
|gblawson - TD#27667|
When I enter my Chassis #,TD6754, I get the following message: "Your search has returned no results". Where do I go from here?
Thanks and best regards,
|>Your comment about the lack of computerized data for TD's...does that mean the production records exist but have not been converted to computerized data or does it mean they simply do not exist?|
Hi Dave, yes thankfully the TD records do exist as handwritten records - one of the T Register folk is currently in the process of inputting these into a spreadsheet...
>I have updated the information on my TD Mark II (TD18895). When you list the license plate number, would it be helpful to know the state that issued the plate?
>Plate number "ABC123" could be in any of the 50 states. Is there room enough in the block to show the state, such as "ABC123 (KS)"?
John, any information would be useful - to keep the searching accurate, however, the "licence plate" field would normally just contain the licence plate and nothing else. However, if you wish to mention the state of registration in the "Notes" field when you send the Registrar your details, that would be gratefully received...
>Was the Merson TF dataBase ever integrated into yours?
I don't think so. We receive information from all over the world but I'm not sure if our Registrars are aware of the database you speak of. I'll seek it out and send the link on to our TD/TF registrar to look at.
>When I enter my Chassis #,TD6754, I get the following message: "Your search has returned no results". Where do I go from here?
I'd give it another go. When I search for TD6754 I return your car's record (which it seems we don't know about at all, so please try again!). Be sure you are entering your chassis number correctly and in the "Chassis No" field (sometimes I find I enter Chassis Numbers in the Licence Number field by mistake).
I am hoping to "refresh" the T Register Online in early October, to reflect all the great information that has been sent in. Between you TD/TF guys and the T-ABC group, we've uncovered a great many more T Types than we knew existed. ***Thank you so much!***
I am entering the number (TD 6754) that is stamped on the brass plate fixed to the toolbox under the bonnet. The #'s on that plate are in the following configuration:
Car No. TD/6754
Engine No. XPAG/TD/LHX 7154
The narrow plate on the firewall has the following:
Body Type 22381
Body No. 6188/68674
The question -- is the "Car No." on the brass plate the same as what you are calling the "Chassis No"?
BTW there is no opportunity to click "Update Details".
Thanks for your feedback.
Yes, that's the correct number.
Simply enter the characters TD6754 in the chassis number box - no slash.
It will bring up your car's record.
At the top of the screen will be several buttons, one of which is "Update Details".
If you're having problems, this link takes you directly to your record: http://www.tregister.org/register/record.aspx?ID=92517
Thanks for your help. Details have been updated using the link you provided.
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