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MG TD TF 1500 - I. D. Plate
|My car came to me with no brass name plates. I bought new ones from Moss but I am not sure of what to punch on the 2nd line under "car no." and what goes under body type and body no.?|
I'd really like to get it right the first time!
|Gordon has it on his site ...he'll be along shortly I'm sure!|
|Second line on mine has - EXL / NA - I'd assume that this is Export, Left hand drive and North America.|
|BVS Van Sloun|
|The actual car no. of your car should be stamped on the left front frame horn. This must match what you stamp on the VIN plate.|
Have a look at this:
|That's the one I was looking for...couldn't remember were it was!|
|All TD body types are 22381. Body numbers are very difficult to determine when unknown(two numbers). One of the numbers is stamped in the wood frame under the floorboard next to the driver door. It gets worn down over the years or the wood gets replaced. The numbers don't follow an equal pattern as trying to match up to chassis numbers.|
|See http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/BodyPlate.htm for a bit about Body No. Bud|
|Wow! You guys are awesome. This is all the info I was looking for. Now I can start looking for that body number.|
|It has always intrigued me regarding the manner of how the stamped letters and numbers are applied so differently. It's as if the person that came in the morning with the worst hangover had ID plate stamping duty. If you stamp the plate too perfect it doesn't look authentic. |
|"If you stamp the plate too perfect it doesn't look authentic" |
Amen...One of the first things I look at when they come up for auction claiming to be "all orginial / unrestorded car". A neatly engraved set of plates is a dead giveaway and (IMHO} many times a red flag.
I think the guy that did mine was hung-over and possibly blind!
|I'm sure it was the 'Take the Kids to Work Day' job..."here JImmy, take these stamps and here is a hammer........."|
|One guess is that the two important numbers on the ID plate were stamped at different points along the line. The stamps used for the chassis # and the engine # are often two different fonts, which I think supports my theory. |
But I confess I can't quite visualize the process, since the engine is already in the chassis when the body tub is lowered onto it. Perhaps both numbers were stamped onto the blank plate which was already mounted on the bulkhead? But why would there be two different fonts, and when would that information be entered into the production ledger?
I'm so confused...
Bar Harbor, Maine
|Here is my plate
|And of course that day that in April in 1952 that Nigel went out for a pint at lunch and came back and tried to stamp the part number on my dumb iron, and did 15469 twice, so 70 had to be stamped over 69.
|I can't find a place to put my body name plate. A number of people have said under the toolbox, toolbox lid, and underside. I can't find the holes where it was screwed on. The plate I got from Moss has 4 holes. I found 4 holes on the top of the toolbox where the screws for the lid hinge go, but they don't line up with the plate. The inside of my toolbox is carpeted so maybe .../|
My car was made in may 15th 1953.
|See http://www.ttalk.info/Butz53/ for a series of images of a 53 by George Butz III Bud|
|Here is a link to a 53 for sale. It has two pictures of the ID plates Mike|
|I found a TF with the body plate mounted inside the tool box on the underside of the right toolbox cover. Riveted on. There is no evidence of any holes in either of my covers. So, still searchin'...|
Is your car a TD or TF?
If TF I can get some pics for you today.
If TD somebody else maybe can do.
(if you could not find what you are after from the links above.)
Well, here we go...that is, for a TD.
All 4 plates (3 of them on the toolbox) in just one shot...
|And for a TF ...|
On the firewall:
Top one / Vin - Engine Numbers
2nd one / Patten numbers
3rd is my NEMGT # - NOT Factory
4th ia a "Driver Plaque" from a 1958 race - NOT Factory (came with the car)
On the tool box lid:
Body type & Body #.
It is possible that my "lid" is turned around so this may actually "belong" on the other side of the car!
Hopefully someone will confirm that.
|I dont think your lid is turned around David. And you have the correct black paint on the underside too.|
Think maybe it "was" on the other side and I changed it when re-painted as someone told about it. I reallly don't remember for sure, but it struck me as kind of strange that it is "upside-down" compaired with the font on the others. I never removed the riviots that hold it on, and they apear to be orginial. Is that they way it should be?
|My car is a late td May 15,1953. I could drill 4 holes and mount the plate where JL piture shows it, but there are no holes there so I suspect it was somewhere else. The tf I saw the other day had it under the toolbox lid on the Right side and the print was right side up.|
|Collin ...You out there? |
My "gut" feeling is this is going to be another one of those "how many pints for lunch / who put it on" details! LOL
I love these cars!
Moss sell that plate? Maybe I'll get another and do both.
Herewith the TD bulkhead position of holes and main components. Copied from Malcolm Green's T Series Restoration Guide.
Hope this helps...
Looks like Jasper found an answer for you.
Is there a "single" hole there for a flasher?
53 car, have turn signals?
Maybe somebody has pic with the plate on side of bulkhead so you can look for holes there?
|Yes, I have a flasher mounted right there and I do have sgnal lights that work amazingly well when I can find the switch without taking my eyes of the road. You gotta beware of those nutty California drivers, the land of fruits and nuts!|
Thanks, I'll keep looking for those 4 holes...
Here is a picture of the currently unrestored bulkhead on my '53 TD 24953. There is nothing on the tool box lid and I didn't see anything under the nasty felt in the box either.
Please revisit the steering wheel thread and look for my comment there.
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